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Ashley Rubin's avatar

This is a really rich post and I really appreciate it. But I'm going to be selective in only discussing some parts that I really want to discuss. So this part: "a conservative social scientist might be interested in how traditional gender roles provide meaning, status, or functional social scripts among the members in a given population, while a progressive would instead examine how these same roles facilitate various sorts of deprivation or exploitation." I'd say a good sociologist should do *both.* For a while in the sociology of punishment, scholars exploring the consequences of mass incarceration on families, neighborhoods, etc. discussed both the positive and negative consequences. I love the concept of "sociological ambivalence," which was used here (see esp Megan Comfort for making this explicit). Across several studies, we learned families of incarcerated folks have mixed feelings about their loved ones' incarceration. In some ways, it was better with them gone and in other ways it was worse--and for complex reasons. One major problem is the one you're addressing--there was very, very little work even investigating whether mass incarceration was good (different scholars looked at the impact on the crime rate, but not P&S/S of P scholars), and where you could twist it to do so (e.g., job creation) it was treated conspiratorially (the prison industrial complex). But the second problem is the one I'm concerned about, which is a more recently widespread problem: people stop talking about the positive aspects. Miller and Stuart's carceral citizenship is one of the last pieces to do it, along with a few pieces on health outcomes for prisoners by Uggen and co. Instead, we get stories about how mass incarceration is to blame for IPV by formerly incarcerated men (with no willingness to concede that maybe the men contributed to this outcome and no investigation into whether they did so before they went to prison--the blame analysis Felson wrote about). So I totally agree that scholars will be interested in different questions based on their life experiences and personal preferences/beliefs (and this is the strongest argument, in my view, for diversity arguments). But I also think (a) any study needs to consider the full scope--the limitations and costs of, as well as the opportunities and meaning people derive from, e.g., gender roles, and (b) to deal with gaps in the literature, we need more field-level efforts to engage in systematic analyses of society, not in a kind of path dependent way we've done, but in a clean-slate, how would we do this better if we stated over kind of way. But I'm enjoying the discussion! In the end, I really hope we end up seeing multiple models of reform across the country so we can see which is/are most effective, laboratory of democracy/free-market style!

Hollis Robbins's avatar

I was at a humanities conference last week and I urged everyone there (~200 people) to start identifying as 'conservative' and to encourage all their friends to. Why? You know why.

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